Teamwork - A Better Way

Christian Napier
00:13 - 00:25
Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to a very special episode of Teamwork, A Better Way. I'm Christian Napier, and I am joined by the world traveler extraordinaire, Spencer Horn. Spencer, how are you doing

Spencer Horn
00:25 - 00:31
today? I am great. I am so excited to be with you today, Christian, and our guests. We have multiple guests today.

Spencer Horn
00:32 - 00:39
And yeah, I'm excited to be back in our hometown. We've been on the road a little bit. It's been a great couple of

Christian Napier
00:39 - 00:42
weeks. All right, well, you got to give me the deets. Where have you been?

Spencer Horn
00:43 - 01:02
Well, last week, Jan and I, we were in Somerset, New Jersey for a bit. We flew into Long Island, went to Manhattan, and then Somerset, New Jersey, and then went back down to Manhattan and spent several days there. We had a blast. So we were there from, gosh, about six days.

Spencer Horn
01:02 - 01:04
And then this week, I've been in Cincinnati.

Christian Napier
01:06 - 01:11
All right, man. You've been all over the place, racking up the mind. Yeah, but what about you? What have you been doing?

Christian Napier
01:11 - 01:22
I'm just here doing my thing with the state of Utah, having a lot of fun with AI, so I can't complain. Been lots of fun. Any weekend plans?

Spencer Horn
01:22 - 01:41
This weekend, Ty has actually teased me in the past about not having a book, so I'm finishing my book tomorrow. And we'll talk more about books later today. So I've got some work to do tomorrow. I'm going to go mountain biking tomorrow morning, and then I'm working on finishing my book.

Christian Napier
01:43 - 01:53
Well, that sounds awesome. I'm just going to be working out my yard, I think, mostly. So that's fantastic. But we've got to get to our guests.

Spencer Horn
01:53 - 01:53
Yeah, we do.

Christian Napier
01:54 - 02:03
They're amazing. This is the first time I think we've had a show like this. And we've been doing this for now more than five years, Spencer, right? That's

Spencer Horn
02:03 - 02:04
right.

Christian Napier
02:05 - 02:08
Well, why don't you go ahead and introduce our very, very special guest today.

Spencer Horn
02:08 - 02:48
Well, I'm going to bring Ty on the screen, but to his left and right, which you'll see in just a moment, are two other special guests, which I'll talk about in a second. But Ty Bennett is a world-renowned speaker, best-selling author, entrepreneur, And he's somebody who's really been redefining leadership and high performance for today, which we're going to be talking about, especially high performance and high-performing teams. And already we've got people chiming in, which they're excited to hear you, Ty. But he's going to use a dynamic blend of real-world experience, research-backed insight, which I know, Christian, you've actually went out and read white papers on Ty, so I'm so excited for your questions for him.

Spencer Horn
02:48 - 03:13
He's going to share some of his research with us on high-performing teams that really helps organizations unlock that high performance and build stronger relationships. And it's all about sustaining impact, and that's something that I believe in so much. In addition to being a speaker and author, he just published some proprietary research on high performance, which I was just talking about. And he's going to share a little bit about with us.

Spencer Horn
03:14 - 03:50
He's written several books, including The Power of Storytelling, which I have right here. He's written Partnerships is the New Leadership and The Power of Influence, and his books have been widely adopted, and I didn't know this, at graduate programs and university courses around the world, helping shape the next generation of leaders and influencers. He started as an entrepreneur at 21 years old. He and his brother built a direct sales business that made over $20 million annually.

Spencer Horn
03:51 - 04:18
They did that across 37 countries and they've duplicated hundreds and hundreds of leaders that really helped them to develop their sales skills. I love that entrepreneurial experience and leadership experience that he brings. I think this is really cool. His entrepreneurial success, Christian and those listening, led him to be recognized as one of the top 40 under 40 and dubbed one of the 10 coolest entrepreneurs in Utah.

Spencer Horn
04:18 - 04:40
I don't know if Tanner and Drew think he's that cool, but we'll find out. But today he's also the owner of the largest Ninja Warrior gym in the world. I've been to it and it is cool. I actually saw him do one of his keynotes there and he applies the principles of resilience, adaptability, and peak performance in both business and athletics.

Spencer Horn
04:40 - 04:55
And he's the founder of Leadership Inc. And not only that, he actually teaches other speakers around the world with his, you know, his speaking business, how to be relevant speakers. Maybe he can share a little bit about that. still that entrepreneur doing great things.

Spencer Horn
04:55 - 05:13
He's spoken to over 2,000 audiences, now 2,001 with our audience today. I bet he doesn't count that, but I am. And to drive strategic engagement, boost sales and inspire true leadership. So Master Storyteller, incredible speaker, friend, Ty, welcome.

Tanner Bennett
05:14 - 05:19
Thank you. That was too much of an introduction, but I appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Spencer Horn
05:19 - 05:40
Well, we also have to, I'm going to, if I put your, your, your boys on, it'll mute me. So I'm, I'm just going to have to, everyone's going to have to take my word for it, but we have drew, uh, on the screen on the left, who's 14 and he is, uh, he's been on American Ninja Warrior Jr. And he's a top ranked athlete. He's.

Spencer Horn
05:41 - 05:55
He's a pro competitor. He loves sushi. I'm so excited to hear what's his favorite fish. And then on the screen on your right, we have Tanner, who's the 16-year-old, who is a sophomore in high school.

Spencer Horn
05:56 - 06:15
He last year competed in the ninja competition, came in 15th in the world in 2024. That is a huge, huge accomplishment. And he's, you know, at 16 years old, he's already an experienced dater in high school, so man in demand. We're so glad to have all three of you here with us.

Spencer Horn
06:16 - 06:32
So my first question, Ty, talk to us about what got you, why, what started the research? And tell us a little bit about this. What was your motivation to do this high performance team research? Tell us about that, start us off, and how you got into this.

Tanner Bennett
06:33 - 06:57
Yeah, so you mentioned my background is as an entrepreneur. I've built several businesses and then transitioned that into speaking and training. I've written several books, sharing some of my experiences and insights and speaking to working with teams, leaders, sales teams, all sorts of groups all over the world. And then in the process of that, these two, they found the sport Ninja Warrior.

Tanner Bennett
06:58 - 07:22
I don't know if you've seen that sport, the show, it's awesome. But they watched the show and they became obsessed with the sport and in that process they became, over the last several years, have become elite athletes. Some of the top ranked ninjas in the world, competing all over the country. And as I watched Ninja Warrior, I found that it uniquely illustrated some of the principles that I teach.

Tanner Bennett
07:25 - 07:42
You can use a metaphor of sports in lots of different ways, but I think Ninja is unique in that way. It's so visual. I kept finding myself having conversations with my boys in the gym that were the same conversations I was having with teams and organizations. and executive leaders on stage.

Tanner Bennett
07:43 - 08:09
And so we decided that we were going to explore this a little bit more. And it led us down a road where we actually worked with a research team out of Austin, Texas, PhDs, and helped design a research study on high performance. And Tanner and Drew are co-authors of the study. helped me write the white paper, and we actually speak all over the world sharing this idea.

Tanner Bennett
08:09 - 08:44
And NINJA's just fun because it unlocks the metaphor, and in fact, we put a NINJA rig on stage. I know, Spencer, you've seen this before, and these two are swinging on bars and doing stuff and sharing their insights in the process. But the research is, it's interesting because we all have our opinions or thought process on high performance, High performance is such an uncommon thing that I wanted to research it because what we found in the research is that there's commonalities that high performers have and that we can adopt and that can add to our level of performance, whether that's in

Spencer Horn
08:44 - 08:44
an

Tanner Bennett
08:44 - 08:48
individual role, in a leadership role, as a team, or in whatever capacity.

Spencer Horn
08:50 - 09:10
Well, that's that that is a great story. And Ty, I'm sorry to say is we've got some people that are joining us that are we have people from Houston where they say it's dang hot and sunny. We've got people from San Antonio, Texas, that are that are chiming in, Kevin. And they're asking we need you guys to speak really loud.

Spencer Horn
09:10 - 09:14
So join up, Christian. What do you got?

Christian Napier
09:15 - 09:47
Well, one of the questions I have is The study is co-authored by you and your sons, which I think is really interesting, right? So I'm curious to hear the story about how that came about, how the three of you decided, hey, let's do this thing. Because it's not a common thing to see, oh, a study that's co-authored by a 14-year-old and a 16-year-old. As a father who's had, I've got four kids and all of my kids have worked for me at some point in their upbringing.

Christian Napier
09:47 - 09:56
I'm really curious about how that came about, how you decided to collectively, the three of you, do this study.

Tanner Bennett
09:58 - 10:26
Well, I'll share my thoughts first, and then Tanner and Drew can share some of theirs. But from the get-go, when we decided to give a speech, I asked them how they wanted to approach it. And what we came down to is they are partners in the speech. They are contributors not just in showing up and showing their skill, but in all of it, which meant that they were investing into the rig that we put on stage and some of those things.

Tanner Bennett
10:26 - 11:09
And so when the study came about, I looked at it, because we've approached this whole thing as a partnership, that they were partners. And they loved the idea of it, so they were willing to invest in the cost of it and saw the potential of it, all of those things. I don't know, they might be the youngest co-authors of a national study in a white paper that exists, but one of my friends who owns the research firm that we worked with, it was actually partly his idea, and he said, oh my gosh, I've got goosebumps, because your boys could actually co-author this with you and share their insights and have their perspective, because they're looking at it from an elite athlete perspective, where I look at it from an entrepreneur and leadership perspective.

Tanner Bennett
11:09 - 11:36
And so I think it's fun to blend those mixes. Guys, for you, Tanner, what was your experience with it or what did you get out of being part of that process? I thought going into it, it was really cool being able to be a co-author for a white paper, especially at my age. That was really cool, thinking about it for me, how many doors that opens and how it can create an opportunity with college applications and just leading into more things in the future.

Tanner Bennett
11:37 - 12:01
Starting this young is really cool for me to be able to have more opportunities in the future. But then I loved learning about all the research that we did and all the points that we were making in our speech and that I was learning in NINJA were being validated by this research that we were doing, which was really cool because we were a part of the research. We helped prepare the questions that we asked the people in our study.

Tanner Bennett
12:01 - 12:06
I thought it was so cool seeing all of that come together. Awesome. True. What else for you?

Drew Bennett
12:06 - 12:23
Yeah, it truly was like an amazing experience to put that all together. See how it works is just really cool and enriching to learn about that process. But also, I've loved having that to be able to also amplify our speeches. My dad said, we are like partners in that.

Drew Bennett
12:23 - 12:36
And that's been cool to see how it's taken speech that we do so often to the next level and I've really liked that and it's been cool to see all the different findings and just how incredible the national study really is.

Spencer Horn
12:49 - 13:11
You know, I put up one of the comments from one of our listeners, Kevin, a minute ago, and he said something that I 100% agree with. He says that sports is such a wonderful teacher of life, and there's so much. It's exactly what you were saying in the beginning, Ty. You're watching this Ninja Warrior, and there's so much overlap into just everyday business life.

Spencer Horn
13:11 - 13:31
And I know, Christian, you're so passionate about this. The lessons that we learn in sports are, not only metaphorical, there's so much crossover that can benefit all of us. And so my question is, well, first of all, Tanner, you said something about you asked questions. How did you come up with those questions?

Spencer Horn
13:32 - 13:44
And I mean, just tell us where those questions came from. Was it a collaboration or did you just have ideas? And then tell us about the research that we're dying to know. Okay,

Tanner Bennett
13:44 - 14:19
so for us, when we started our research paper, we started by having a call and talking, just talking about what we wanted to do with it, what we wanted to research, and we decided we wanted to research high performance. So when we did that, we had to come up with what questions we wanted to ask to figure out what drives high performance, what stops high performance. So Drew, my dad, and I had brainstorm sessions where we would try to come up with good ideas on what we want to ask so that we can get the right answers that we can use and get the right data that we can use in our speeches, which is

Christian Napier
14:19 - 14:19
really

Tanner Bennett
14:19 - 14:24
cool. We would ask, what do you think stops high performance? What starts it? What do you do?

Tanner Bennett
14:25 - 14:46
What do you not do? And different questions like that. And then we submitted them to the PhD group, and they kind of fine-tuned the process and then took it out to a sample group of working America. That was kind of our focus, is making sure that we had a good statistical valuation of what working America looks like.

Tanner Bennett
14:47 - 15:19
Full-time employees in lots of different industries across the country, representing every demographic. came back with some really interesting results and the group that helped us put it together, they gave us all of the data and helped us sort through it and then from that we pulled the key findings to put together in the white paper that we wrote and some of the main ideas that we think were the most applicable to the most people to document those and then we share a lot of those on stage as well.

Drew Bennett
15:20 - 15:43
Yeah, it's been really cool to see like those answers come in based on the questions that we asked, like watching the whole process and then seeing like the results and kind of seeing like those wow factors, those crazy answers that just shock audiences across the country. And I think that's probably my favorite part of the study just because it amplifies all that we do in such a cool way.

Spencer Horn
15:45 - 16:12
So I want to hear that shocking stuff, Christian, but I have just one follow-up question. So to our listeners, normally, you know, we have this podcast a little earlier in the day, but the reason why we're having it at this time is because we wanted to have Drew and Tanner join us. As you can tell, they're obviously dedicated to their own self-development and learning. So my question to you both is, how has going through this process actually helped you in your academics?

Spencer Horn
16:13 - 16:25
I mean, think about, you have to write papers and persuasive arguments and theses for school. Has there been any benefit to you in how you approach your homework?

Drew Bennett
16:27 - 16:40
I can go first. I guess for me a lot of what I've used from the study. I think there's definitely been some stuff with like helping write different parts of the white paper. You know how to word certain things getting better at that.

Drew Bennett
16:40 - 17:11
But a big thing that I've liked from the white paper is reading it and seeing some of those findings and looking at my own life with my school and with my ninja and with the points that we make on stage and seeing if I'm actually doing those. You know if I'm living up to what I'm teaching and I think that's really improve me as a student and as an athlete and just as a person in general to make my life more high-performing because I'm giving these questions to audiences and then putting them back for myself to see how I can improve.

Tanner Bennett
17:13 - 17:52
There's been like very specific findings on high performance that have helped me in my in my life and especially in my studies about like just approaching things differently, especially with my view on failure. This white paper has helped me adjust my view on failure a lot and approach it way with a lot more of a growth mindset. than a closed off mindset, which has been really cool for me going through, this is my first year of high school, and going through my first year of high school where there's a lot of change and a lot of failure that I experienced, and being able to approach it with this less of a fear because of the data that we learned, but more of embracing the failure and learning from it.

Spencer Horn
17:53 - 18:30
Can I just piggyback on that, Ty? I love that so much, Tanner, and let me tell you why. For seven years, I recruited for the University of Utah, the Eccles School of Business, kids out of high school. One of the biggest challenges we see for kids coming out of high school that are high performers, the top tier of grades and Athletes, not so much athletes, but a lot of times kids that are academically just high performing, they get into an environment where they're no longer

Spencer Horn
18:30 - 18:55
the top three or 5% because they have to compete with other high performers. And they get their first B or they're not in the top of the class. And in a way, they look at that as a failure and they're struggling with anxiety and all this pressure they're putting on themselves because they haven't learned that, hey, you can overcome a failure. You don't have to be at the top of everything all the time.

Spencer Horn
18:55 - 19:04
I mean, that's something that I think is so important for kids to learn today. So I'm so glad to hear you say that. Sorry, Ty. To me, I'm passionate about that.

Tanner Bennett
19:04 - 19:18
No, I'm with you on it. I was going to say these two have worked through a lot. I think sometimes I use the findings as like reminders, hey, we talk about this. Make sure you're doing this.

Tanner Bennett
19:18 - 19:35
That's probably used against them sometimes, but I mean, they both just finished school literally today, like end of the year, and both finished with straight A's and have worked extremely hard, but they're seeing that and putting in the work. Drew, you were going to say something else about failure.

Drew Bennett
19:35 - 19:41
Well, just like a lot of the findings you found around failure are super cool. Dad, should I share any yet?

Drew Bennett
19:41 - 19:42
Yeah, if you

Drew Bennett
19:43 - 19:55
want to. One of my, so the coolest finding, at least to me, we share this on stage is that most people like it, what's the exact? 75%. 75% of people know that failure is like, is super important.

Drew Bennett
19:55 - 20:27
Like embracing failure is a key aspect of high performance, but only is it 41, right? But only 41% say that they do it regularly. And we talk about on stage, this performance gap and Like that, how big is 34% of that difference between what you think you should do and what they actually do around failure. I think that's really cool to see like how much, how important failure is versus how much people do it and how like closing that performance gap is key to high performance.

Tanner Bennett
20:28 - 20:49
And going off of that, that's like, I was kind of like saving that data. That's been that change for me this year and like has been helping me in my every aspect of my life is being able to become, like leave that 34% of people who didn't embrace failure. Like be able to be the person who I go into something, I'm like, you know

Christian Napier
20:49 - 20:50
what,

Tanner Bennett
20:50 - 20:53
I might mess up, but that's okay because I'll learn from it and become better because of it.

Christian Napier
20:56 - 21:20
You know, I think this is a fantastic conversation. Spencer, if you recall, a few years ago, we had Scott Hamilton on our podcast, a former gold medal Olympian, a figure skater. I bring it up because he told us that his coach estimated that he fell on the ice more than 41,000 times in his life. That's awesome.

Christian Napier
21:20 - 21:34
And so you got to get back up if you're going to succeed. And I've always remembered that, what he said. I want to come back to the results of the study. You've talked about failure.

Christian Napier
21:36 - 21:54
Tanner, you mentioned that some of the things validated what you've already experienced in your own life. And so this question is for each of you. What is one thing that came out in the study that validated what you already knew? And what is one thing that genuinely surprised you?

Tanner Bennett
21:54 - 21:57
Do you want to

Christian Napier
21:57 - 21:58
start?

Tanner Bennett
21:59 - 22:14
I'm trying to think of a good one. Okay, I'll start. One thing that validated a lot of the work that I've done is in leadership. I spent a lot of time working with, talking to companies about the importance of leadership.

Tanner Bennett
22:14 - 22:43
We found in the study that 36% of people have left a company that they liked to follow a leader that they loved. Even if they liked the company, if that leader meant that much to them, that they would move jobs, move organizations to follow a leader to another organization. I think great leadership creates loyalty. But on the flip side of that, we found that more than 40% of people have actually left a company and a job that they enjoyed because they had a leader they didn't like.

Tanner Bennett
22:43 - 22:58
And so just the importance of leadership, I think, is a huge one that was validating to the work that I've been doing for 15 plus years. And to see that come out and research just kind of where that was validated. What about for you guys?

Drew Bennett
22:59 - 23:24
For me, so we talk about both these in the speech, but they're big ones for me. So we talk about the biggest driver of high performance is preparation. And I feel like that was pretty validating for me because I've seen that with Ninja that when I'm performing at my best, it's when I'm preparing at my best. When I like go in the gym and I really train, I do workouts and I run courses and I push myself, I compete the best usually.

Drew Bennett
23:24 - 23:36
And then the one that was kind of surprising to me, I guess it just has never been like a key thing that I've looked at is how important adaptability is. I'm kind of spacing like the exact percentage

Tanner Bennett
23:36 - 23:38
that I

Drew Bennett
23:38 - 23:42
know. 76%. 76% of Americans know it's crucial, right?

Tanner Bennett
23:42 - 23:51
Yeah, so our research shows that adaptability is the main skill set for success in today's world. And we could dive into that a little bit more, but that's what

Drew Bennett
23:51 - 24:07
we're looking at. Yeah, and that one, I guess it just, I'd never really seen it as important of a thing as it really is. I've been trying to focus on that in different areas and looking at just being able to have that mindset of just being able to adapt quickly and without frustration.

Spencer Horn
24:09 - 24:31
That is such great insight. Let me share something with you, Drew. There's a study done by the Hay-MacBear Consulting Group and they surveyed almost 4,000 executives around the world and they identified six leadership styles. coercive, authoritative, pace setting, democratic, affiliative, and coaching.

Spencer Horn
24:31 - 24:46
And all of those are very different styles. So imagine like, you know, a set of golf clubs, right? You have a lot of golf clubs for different scenarios. And the best leaders are able to adapt to all six of those weekly.

Spencer Horn
24:47 - 25:04
Most people struggle with two or three of those styles, and they are really good at two or three. but they can't adapt, as you're saying, to the situation that requires them to use a different approach. And they really struggle with that. And that's exactly in alignment with what you're saying.

Spencer Horn
25:04 - 25:16
The best leaders are able to adapt their leadership style. So that's, I love what you're saying because it is so strong. Sorry, Ty, did I cut you off?

Tanner Bennett
25:17 - 25:33
No, well, Tanner, share what stood out to you in the study. What's one of the findings that helped you or stood out to you the most? Drew kind of stole the one that I was going to go with, but I

Christian Napier
25:33 - 25:33
really,

Tanner Bennett
25:33 - 25:54
really love learning how important preparation is. Because I feel like that's one for me that I slack on sometimes, because it's one of the most important things that you can do. Preparation is one of the most important drivers of high performance. And just the study showing that if you don't prepare, you don't have an option.

Tanner Bennett
25:54 - 26:14
And we share in the speech the story of Nike and Steph Curry. Do you know the story where? Steph Curry went to Nike and they were renewing his deal and they didn't prepare at all for the meeting to sell him because they thought they had it in the bag. So instead of preparing him his own slides, they called him the wrong name.

Tanner Bennett
26:14 - 26:40
They called him Stefan, right? Stefan the entire meeting and said Kevin Durant's and they used Kevin Durant's slides for their meeting and that made it so that he walked out and said, I'm not doing this and signed a deal with Under Armour. that ended up costing Nike $14 billion to this day. Preparation costs you $14 billion, and it's one of the most important things you can do.

Spencer Horn
26:51 - 26:54
We got to talk about preparation, Christian. Yeah,

Christian Napier
26:54 - 26:55
we'll go for it.

Spencer Horn
26:55 - 27:15
So you're so right, Tanner. I mean, that is, I just, so I told you, I just came back from Cincinnati, and I work with business leaders all over the world. And I teach them about an accountability process, how to delegate, which I find is one of the top challenges that a lot of leaders have. But here's the problem.

Spencer Horn
27:15 - 27:32
I teach them a methodology, and then they go back to doing what they've always done. Because when we practice some of the skills, they say, well, it doesn't feel natural. What does feel natural the first time you do it? Nothing, but it doesn't it says it feels forced.

Spencer Horn
27:32 - 27:53
It's not they want they they want to go into a difficult Conversation like the you know, the Steph Curry thing and just have it be natural No It's only natural when it's when there's muscle memory right when you've when you've prepared when you've done it when you've you know you know, repetition over and over and over again. And people think, well, then it's not going to be natural. That's exactly wrong.

Spencer Horn
27:53 - 28:04
I mean, I, I love the whole idea of sharing. If you go to a movie, do either of you guys like movies? I love movies. Do you realize that that movie is almost word for word scripted?

Spencer Horn
28:06 - 28:15
Yeah. It doesn't feel like it though, does it? I mean, it feels so natural, this interaction. But that's preparation, in my opinion, right?

Spencer Horn
28:15 - 28:32
You know, you got Mission Impossible coming out and I love that they show behind the scenes with, you know, the action scenes about how they're setting those up with Tom Cruise. How much work, how much preparation goes into making it look so natural? It's all preparation.

Tanner Bennett
28:47 - 29:05
videos with 8 plus million views and it's funny to look at all the comments because they say what you just said. The two main things that I see in the comments is, he's a natural or you make that look so easy. And I always look at that and go, how do you make anything look easy? How do you make something feel natural?

Tanner Bennett
29:05 - 29:16
It takes a crazy amount of work. Like I've seen the amount of hours they've put in in the gym. And trust me, when they first started, it didn't look natural, right? They were not making it look easy.

Tanner Bennett
29:17 - 29:37
And so that practice and preparation and like failing and just going through that, that's what mastery takes to build real skill, to perform at the highest level. And that, I love that, that idea. Cause yeah, preparation has a huge cost like Tanner talked about. and the lack of preparation if we don't do it.

Tanner Bennett
29:38 - 29:56
But you can win in those moments that matter most with just a little bit of prep work beforehand. I have a good friend who's a speaker named Phil Jones, and he speaks mostly to sales people. And he always says, when is the worst time to think about what you want to say? And the way most people do it is we think about it in the moment, right?

Tanner Bennett
29:56 - 30:10
That is the very worst time to prepare and think about what do I want to say? How do I want to deliver this with impact? If we spend some time in that preparation beforehand, work on those skills, put in that work, then it shows up and makes a huge difference.

Drew Bennett
30:11 - 30:25
That's awesome, Matt. I thought I had just taken it back a step to what Tanner and Spencer were saying. around like what feels natural. I think sometimes, at least in me and Ninja, but I think everyone kind of gets caught up.

Drew Bennett
30:26 - 30:41
Once you get to a certain level, you start getting comfortable in kind of a, well, I'm like in Ninja, sometimes I'll do this where it's like, I'm good at this move. So I'll do that. But then I go to a different move that I'm not that good at. And I'll be like, well, it's okay.

Drew Bennett
30:41 - 30:48
I don't really need to do that. I can just go do something that's not natural. I don't know how to do that. And I don't really need to do it.

Drew Bennett
30:48 - 31:04
But I think when you step outside of your comfort zone, like even this week, I had an experience like that where my friend, there's this kind of move in Ninja called a coffin. It's where you will shave backwards. And I've never really been able to figure them out. So I usually kind of avoid them.

Drew Bennett
31:04 - 31:26
If everyone's trying, I'll go try something else because it's not natural. But then this week, I decided that that's something I need to work past to push myself outside of my comfort zone. Worked through it and actually figured out how to do it pretty good because it wasn't natural, right? It wasn't comfortable, but when you work past that, that's where you get better, you know?

Drew Bennett
31:27 - 31:27
That's

Drew Bennett
31:27 - 31:31
where growth happens when you have to choose to get uncomfortable. Love it.

Christian Napier
31:46 - 32:19
So I love these personal experiences that you are all sharing here. And Drew, in particular, you talking about, well, I don't really need to learn how to do this thing, or I don't really need that. And this takes me to a really important part of your research, your study, the white paper that you did, because you focus on these things that people need to be doing, but then you identify some of these barriers that keep people from becoming effective leaders. And the number one thing on there is making excuses.

Christian Napier
32:20 - 32:47
And Drew, you just talked about like, oh, well, I don't really need to do that. That's making an excuse, right? So I want you to, all of you, all three of you, talk a little bit about these barriers that prevent us from really realizing our potential to become high performers. And what you do, what you recommend people do in their lives to overcome some of the barriers that you identified in your research.

Tanner Bennett
32:47 - 33:05
Yeah, so I'll start and you guys can add on. I'll give an overview. I think that was an important part of the research to look at not just what drives it, like what makes people move forward, but what stops people. Because I think that's where we get held up a lot and we don't focus enough time there.

Tanner Bennett
33:06 - 33:29
So making excuses like you mentioned, Christian, was one of them. Fear of failure was a big one that comes up for people. Not being consistent in the way that we show up or the way that the work we put in. and not being open to feedback and taking other people's criticisms or feedback in a destructive way, like not being able to use that.

Tanner Bennett
33:29 - 33:46
So, boys, what thoughts do you have around any of those in terms of barriers? Consistency is one of the biggest ones, in my opinion, because you can show up as big as you want, but it doesn't matter if you aren't showing up consistency. consistently. It's like the brushing your teeth analogy.

Tanner Bennett
33:47 - 34:05
If you don't brush your teeth for a month and then brush your teeth for a day straight, it's not gonna make your teeth good. You gotta show up every day for those two minutes. And it's the same thing with anything in life, with Ninja, or with work, with school. You can't just try to get everything done right now and then not work at all.

Tanner Bennett
34:05 - 34:09
You have to show up just those unseen hours over and over and over again

Drew Bennett
34:09 - 34:09
to be able

Tanner Bennett
34:09 - 34:11
to be one of the top performers.

Drew Bennett
34:12 - 34:12
One

Tanner Bennett
34:12 - 34:30
of the things we found in the research is that most people, they value intensity over consistency, when actually consistency is what moves the needle. We tend to show up in spurts aggressively, but if we'll just show up consistently, that makes a bigger difference. Drew,

Drew Bennett
34:30 - 34:30
what about

Tanner Bennett
34:30 - 34:30
for

Drew Bennett
34:30 - 34:58
you? For me, around making excuses, I think making excuses was one of the most natural, easy to do, and I think we all get caught up in it. in our everyday lives and what we do. And I think how you kind of get past that is then finding like your reason for doing it, you know, because it's easy, like at least for me and Ninja, it's easy to be like, I don't want to do this workout and I don't have to, you know,

Drew Bennett
34:58 - 35:14
that's an excuse for, oh, I'm tired today. Then I look at as like, but if I don't do a workout today, am I going to be able to compete well tomorrow? You know, that kind of mindset of why you're doing it can help move past those excuses and push you to a different level.

Tanner Bennett
35:14 - 35:35
Yeah, one of the things I've always told the boys in training is that your action has to match your ambition. So these two, they have pretty big ambitions. I mean, literally are like ranked in the top 10, 15 in the world in ninjas, as Ninja Warrior goes. And so when they're talking about being the best in the world, I'm not real open to their excuses, right?

Tanner Bennett
35:35 - 35:45
Like if that's your ambition, then your action has to match up to that. And we have to take excuses off the table. It's cool to see some of those. And Krishna, I love that question on barriers.

Tanner Bennett
35:45 - 35:51
I think we could talk about that for a really long time. Those are those little things that hold us back.

Spencer Horn
35:52 - 36:10
You know, thank you. And I want to hit on excuses for just one more second, if it's okay. I want to pull this back into just the world of leadership. You know, there's a lot of excuses why people don't adapt.

Spencer Horn
36:10 - 36:28
And one of them is exactly what you said, Drew. It doesn't feel natural. It doesn't feel comfortable. And that's why I think we have this whole, this is my personal opinion, this whole embracing of the strengths-based leadership and the idea of what it means to be authentic, right?

Spencer Horn
36:29 - 36:50
To be authentic does not mean that you are predictable, that you do the same things all the time. means you are able to build trust and meet the moment. And sometimes that means you do things that are uncomfortable, but it may not feel natural. Some people misinterpret, it's called the authenticity paradox, right?

Spencer Horn
36:50 - 36:59
They think, well, I just have to be my own self. Well, my own self doesn't know how to do that move, right? So the way that you You do it. You've got to practice.

Spencer Horn
36:59 - 37:15
You've got to do the thing that is uncomfortable. And I love the fact that you don't have to do it in intense, focused, I've got to fix this weakness. It's a little bit at a time. Because working on those weaknesses, if you do it consistently, it does take energy.

Spencer Horn
37:16 - 37:30
But how much excitement and enthusiasm do you get when you get ranked 15th in the world and you're a top-ranked athlete? When you put all of that effort in and you get recognized for it, it's worth it, isn't it?

Tanner Bennett
37:32 - 37:57
Yeah. Spencer, if I can piggyback on that, I think, one, I guess I haven't thought about that the way that you did with this strength-based movement, some of that authenticity. I think there is a way to use that as an excuse for sure. But I think as we talk about adaptability, because adaptability came out as basically the main skill set, the biggest skill that you need to be successful in today's space.

Tanner Bennett
37:59 - 38:20
The key to adaptability is continuous learning. There's a great quote by a college basketball coach. He said that if you want to lead in today's world, your rate of learning has to keep pace with the rate of change. And that is the key to success, but it's the key to adaptability.

Tanner Bennett
38:20 - 38:40
If we're continually learning, growing, developing, which has to happen in today's space as a leader, we're in a changing environment. And so that growth has to continue to happen, that learning. And so there is an element of like, no, I just need to be me. Well, yeah, but you is good, but you have so much more potential, right?

Christian Napier
38:40 - 38:40
You have

Tanner Bennett
38:40 - 38:49
so much room for growth. And the impact that you can have as a better version of you down the line is even greater than what you can do currently.

Spencer Horn
38:50 - 38:54
Yeah, and I love that. Christian, I know you got something.

Christian Napier
38:55 - 39:42
Oh, yeah, I think this is a fascinating conversation. One question I have is, My naive perception of Ninja Warrior, as I watch it on television, it's on NBC, and you see the announcers going crazy, and you see these very fit people doing these things, is that it looks on the surface like it's largely an individual sport. It's an individual effort. And so one of the questions that I've got for the three of you, but particularly Drew and Tanner, is how do you translate the learnings from your own experience where you're focusing on your own performance into becoming a leader.

Christian Napier
39:44 - 40:08
and helping other people perform well, because it's one thing to maximize your own performance, but then to take it to another level and to help other people also achieve their potential, that's something else. And so I'm curious what you've learned throughout this journey that has not just helped you become your very best, but helped you help other people become their very best.

Tanner Bennett
40:08 - 40:09
That's a great question.

Drew Bennett
40:10 - 40:35
Yeah, I can share on this one. So I think through Ninja, I've learned the ways that I'm pushing myself, how I'm making myself better through Ninja, because it's very individual, right? Um, I'm figuring out what, what works for me and how I push myself. And then me and another coach at my gym actually started, uh, like kids competitive team at our gym.

Drew Bennett
40:35 - 41:08
And I've taken those same things that I've learned through years of figuring out how I train, try to apply them to them. And I take the same thing with other people, right? Just try to be a leader in the sense of, I know, I learned through Ninja and through all my experiences what works for me and how I've become the best version of myself. And then I try to show other people that and kind of rub that energy off, you know, onto them to allow them to then get to that point of peak performance.

Drew Bennett
41:08 - 41:15
I definitely am not at peak performance, but I try my best to, you know, keep improving every day.

Tanner Bennett
41:15 - 41:20
But as a coach, you know, Drew's team has grown by leaps and bounds, which is awesome.

Drew Bennett
41:20 - 41:21
It's been pretty

Tanner Bennett
41:21 - 41:21
cool to watch. The coaching

Drew Bennett
41:22 - 41:36
that they brought into play. Yeah, it's been pretty cool to watch because before the team was pretty There wasn't really like, for those kids, there wasn't really like a specific way that they could train. There wasn't like an organization or team. It was just kind of how they could train.

Drew Bennett
41:36 - 41:52
And that's what I've always had. So I want to try to make them better, give them more. And it's cool. And it's been cool to see the different kids just advancing at such big rates and how like incredible they've become as Ninja, but also just as people.

Tanner Bennett
41:52 - 42:26
Tanner, I want you to answer, but I just had a thought. So last week we were speaking for a financial services group in Minneapolis, and they operate with what they call a team relationship model. And as I was on a call with them before, and I started asking more about this team relationship model, is they have individual advisors, they have individual contributors, but they're working as a team and when they bring other people into it, That factors in how commissions are shared, all sorts of different things.

Tanner Bennett
42:26 - 42:36
But I was like, ninja is the perfect model for that because you have these highly competitive athletes. I mean, they're competitive. They want to win, right? And they want to get after it just like in any other sport.

Tanner Bennett
42:36 - 43:08
But ninja is the most collaborative sport I've ever seen. Even though it's an individual sport, ninjas have adopted a mentality that it's not you versus your competitor, it's you versus the course. And because of that, they share with each other, they support each other in a different way than most sports do. And so what I see in Ninja is what I think works in teams so well is the combination of competition or competitiveness and collaboration coming together, and that creates a really unique opportunity for high performance.

Tanner Bennett
43:09 - 43:15
Tan, I don't know if you have any more thoughts on that. Yeah, I was going to share that actually, but that exact thing, so I want

Spencer Horn
43:15 - 43:15
to

Tanner Bennett
43:15 - 43:18
go a little more in depth on that.

Spencer Horn
43:18 - 43:19
But you were going to say it better.

Tanner Bennett
43:19 - 43:36
Yeah, of course. While ninja is an individual sport, it almost feels like a team sport to me in a lot of aspects. Because there'll be times, there's this thing that we call beta. It's just different techniques on how to do an obstacle.

Tanner Bennett
43:37 - 44:01
Because people in Ninja Warrior have embraced that mentality, there have been competitions where I've come off, I had a horrible run, I missed an obstacle, and the first thing that I do after being like, well, that was bad, I go up to my friend who's about to run and I say, hey, don't grab it like how I grabbed it. Grab it like this so then you can beat me. which I think is so cool being able to learn that it doesn't hurt me to help others.

Tanner Bennett
44:02 - 44:11
And it just all comes around. And then other people give me advice before I run. And we all just work together to create, to be able to become the best versions of ourselves.

Drew Bennett
44:11 - 44:22
Yeah. I think it's so cool. There's obviously definitely a sense of competitiveness, but it's cool how ninjas all collaborate, but it's also just cool. They all like love each other.

Drew Bennett
44:22 - 44:56
We're all happy to be there, you know, Some of my best friends actually probably my best friend in the world have all come through Ninja because that's like the people I train with are the same people I compete against but it just has become like it's like hanging out with my friends when I go compete instead of this super intense scary thing how it kind of started when I was younger it seemed so intense so scary and now like we're cracking jokes while we're running it's just it's just such a fun happy environment and it yeah it feels like a team but really you're competing against each other. It's just, it's incredible.

Spencer Horn
45:06 - 45:27
That goes back to what you said earlier, Ty, that the research shows that people follow those leaders that they are connected to, that they trust, that they believe in. And when you are willing to share what you know, some leaders are reluctant. Because if I give you my secrets, then you're going to beat me. That's that competition that comes in.

Spencer Horn
45:28 - 46:01
But what actually happens is when you develop others, you're developing others as leaders and think about, I personally talk about my mentor all the time, how grateful I am for all that he invested in me. You can be that for other people and they feel that about you and that just builds a level of trust and desire to, you can perform even higher and better because you're more open to that feedback now that you know somebody's intention is to help you and not sabotage you. We have a couple of comments.

Spencer Horn
46:01 - 46:02
Go ahead,

Tanner Bennett
46:02 - 46:05
Ty. Go to those comments. They're great.

Spencer Horn
46:05 - 46:19
So Kevin's been jumping in here. I want to say a few things. Basically, love the comment that your actions must align with your ambition. Fantastic and simple to internalize.

Spencer Horn
46:19 - 46:28
And then he said, he's been commenting here, so wise and he doesn't hurt to help others. Rare error right there. So good job, you guys.

Tanner Bennett
46:31 - 46:57
If you were talking about a mentor, and Tanner, if Tanner be willing to share, there's a competitor, he who came to our gym, his name's Evan Andrews, who kind of stepped in at a time that, you know, through this process, like it sounds great to say they're both like incredible ninjas. But trust me, this process isn't smooth like any other, right? There's ups and downs, there's hard things, there's times you want to

Christian Napier
46:57 - 46:57
quit,

Tanner Bennett
46:57 - 47:17
there's times that you literally have broken bones. It's been a tough process, but Evan kind of stepped in as a mentor for Tanner and I think changed things in a big way for you, if you'd be willing to share a little bit of that. Yeah, for sure. So Evan came in, he moved to Utah fall of last year.

Tanner Bennett
47:17 - 47:32
It was at a time with Ninja where I was really struggling to see growth in myself. I was struggling a lot with comparison, especially with Drew, because Drew was doing all these things. He was going above and beyond and getting to that next level. And I was just staying where I was at.

Tanner Bennett
47:33 - 47:43
I wasn't performing the way I wanted to. It got to the point where I was fully ready to quit. Like I was, there was one competition that I was just like, I'm done. I don't want to do this anymore.

Tanner Bennett
47:44 - 48:03
And then Evan came in with me and helped me change my perspective. I started training with him on Tuesday nights where he would focus on me and Drew would still be outperforming me on a lot of stuff. But instead of me focusing on that, he'd help me focus on what I was doing better. and what I was improving on, that changed the game for me.

Tanner Bennett
48:04 - 48:48
It switched from a, I took fourth place in this competition, I'm not a good ninja, to I took fourth place in this competition, look at how much I've grown, I love doing this, this is so much fun. And it's incredible for me because after he did that for me and helped me make that switch, it not only helped me Like be more at peace with where I am at in the sport help me want to be that for other people Help me want to help like share my story to want to remove comparison in our speech We talked about removing comparison because I think that's such a crucial skill to learn it can help people in their lives so much I just want to be a like it's the if he helped me and I saw how much that impacted me How can I do that for others?

Tanner Bennett
48:48 - 48:49
Awesome. Thanks, man

Christian Napier
48:51 - 49:02
Okay, I want to ask about that Remove Comparison thing a little bit more, and then Spencer, we're going to be coming close to the time, and so we'll let you get to your lightning round here in a second. No,

Spencer Horn
49:02 - 49:05
no, this is an important topic. You take your time.

Christian Napier
49:06 - 49:41
On the Remove Comparison, I've been thinking about this the last few minutes as you guys have been talking, and Drew talked about when he started out. It was really scary for him. And what I wanted to ask about was the importance of empathy, because it could be really intimidating for a person who's, you know, quote, unquote, just starting out or maybe average to look at someone who is top 15 ranked in the world and, you know, try to establish a connection with this person, you know, thinking, who am I?

Christian Napier
49:41 - 50:02
I'm a nobody. you know, I don't deserve to be here. And at the same time, sometimes it can be difficult for people who are at the very top of their profession to really understand, you know, what people who may not be as talented, or may not necessarily have the level of drive that you have, you know, for you to connect as well.

Christian Napier
50:02 - 50:26
So I'm curious, as you've gone through, this is for all of you, and Ty, you can talk about this too, because, you know, you established a very successful business early in your career, right? So, you know, it's easy for people to say, well, he's way up there, or she's way up there, and I can never be like that. Or, At the same time, I don't understand why this person's struggling. I mean, you just power through it.

Christian Napier
50:26 - 50:41
You just do it like I did. So, you know, how do you go about establishing this kind of mindset or mindset of empathy to not judge people, but to just be helpful and serve them?

Tanner Bennett
50:43 - 50:45
That's a great question. I love that you asked that.

Christian Napier
50:45 - 50:45
Because

Tanner Bennett
50:46 - 51:01
more than anything, I'm curious to hear my boys talk about it. And what have you guys learned about empathy and why that's important? And it may be from Ninja, but these guys are involved in other things, student council and other things, where I think they get a lot of great leadership insight too.

Drew Bennett
51:02 - 51:24
Um, well, it's just been interesting because me and Tanner have both competed together. There's been a kind of direct comparison, you know, a question we often get asked is like, oh, who's better in that. But, um, and it's been hard at different times, you know, where. I'm seeing these things that Tanner can do that I can't figure out how to do, and it can be frustrating, you know?

Drew Bennett
51:24 - 52:08
It can be hard because I want that, but that's like comparing, you know? Same with Tanner, probably back to me, there's moves that I've done that he can't do, moves that he can do that I can do. But what we've tried to do, I think, is look at each other's strengths and point out that and be very Also, just we've tried to build just a relationship outside of ninja to know that no matter what happens here We're still brothers and still love each other and they're still super close friends We're also like pointing out each other's strengths like Tanner can do some crazy like his strength is out of this world I cannot do some of the pull-ups the pulls and some of these moves that he like that he can do that are

Drew Bennett
52:08 - 52:10
just incredible and on the

Tanner Bennett
52:10 - 52:33
flip side of that I can't swing like Drew does at all, and I can't make things flow together the way that he can. And it's not just comparing, it's not comparing that, it's removing that comparison, but finding that empathy where, you know what, I can't do what you do, but that's so cool that you can do it. And sometimes you can't do what I do, if we can appreciate each other and work with each other, and that's what

Drew Bennett
52:33 - 53:05
matters. And I think that applies to most everything, any area, you know? You could look at Whoa, I'm doing all this stuff better than this person, and then just put yourself at a higher and then there's that instant comparison, or you can look at the skills that they have, you know, my dad is saying runs. We've both been on student council and I think that's been cool to see that come into play there because it's, you have to appreciate everyone's strengths and see what they can do, because What you can do may not be what they can do and that can be frustrating

Drew Bennett
53:05 - 53:25
sometimes, you know But you have to look at everyone's strengths and then use them to the best ability as a team I think that's something that leaders should do is look at the strengths of what their team has and to make their team better, you know instead of Comparing what they're not doing instead. It's what they can do and what they're good at and

Tanner Bennett
53:26 - 53:44
One of the things that we've talked about a lot is that confidence, right, which is important for everybody. It's obviously important for them. If you approach a course without any confidence, good luck, right? But if you approach leadership without any confidence or you approach sales without any confidence, confidence doesn't mean that you see yourself above other people.

Tanner Bennett
53:45 - 54:04
It means you stop comparing. And I think being able to empathize, see the good in each other, to appreciate that. And one of the things I really appreciate that I see a lot in Tanner is being able to genuinely celebrate other people. I think so often when we see other people's success, we almost get defensive, right?

Tanner Bennett
54:04 - 54:27
We downplay it, we get hurt by it, and what we're doing is comparing. Instead of celebrating, empathizing, being able to really engage with where people are, Christian, this is such an interesting topic, because in my mind, I'm thinking of it in so many realms, right? In the leadership realm, in Ninja, but just in our family dynamics, right? It comes up everywhere.

Tanner Bennett
54:27 - 54:42
And so learning how to be with people, to truly try and connect with people, to empathize, to love people, to not compare, that's like the human experience right there. It's not a simple thing to do, but it makes such a big difference.

Spencer Horn
54:51 - 55:11
Yes, it absolutely does. And I love that story. And Tanner, I love the fact that you were starting to compare yourself from where you were before and seeing your progress. And I think that's something that is so helpful and so widely applicable to anybody.

Spencer Horn
55:12 - 55:33
And I think there's a lot of world in the world right now. There's a lot of problems with anxiety and comparison. And you look at social media and so many people are looking at everybody's perfect life and thinking they don't have everything. And and when you just start looking at yourself and how can I improve and be better than where I am today instead of looking at what everybody else has.

Spencer Horn
55:34 - 55:46
That's a very important takeaway. Christian, do we have time for, we're kind of getting up on the hour. Should we try the lightning round? What do you think?

Spencer Horn
55:47 - 55:48
Maybe a couple of them.

Christian Napier
55:48 - 55:49
Okay,

Spencer Horn
55:50 - 55:57
so here we go. The first one, just really quickly, one word that defines leadership.

Tanner Bennett
55:59 - 56:01
Loving. Empathy. Influence.

Spencer Horn
56:01 - 56:04
You go to mind reset when things get tough.

Tanner Bennett
56:06 - 56:10
You can do this. Music would be yours, I

Drew Bennett
56:10 - 56:10
think.

Tanner Bennett
56:10 - 56:15
Yeah, music. Mine is friends, connection.

Drew Bennett
56:15 - 56:19
I definitely said that wrong. What I meant was words of encouragement, like restart.

Spencer Horn
56:19 - 56:24
OK, all right. We've got to move on. What's one leadership myth you'd love to bust for good?

Tanner Bennett
56:27 - 56:39
You can help others without what you can help others and it doesn't hurt you. Like we were saying. I love that. Uh, I'm writing a book right now that busts the myth that micromanagement is a bad thing.

Spencer Horn
56:40 - 56:45
Uh, uh, Ty, this one's for you. Most surprising lessons you've learned from your sons.

Tanner Bennett
56:49 - 56:49
Empathy.

Spencer Horn
56:51 - 56:53
Your favorite moment on stage ever.

Drew Bennett
56:56 - 56:57
I'm trying to think.

Tanner Bennett
56:58 - 56:59
When I beat Drew in a race.

Drew Bennett
57:02 - 57:04
Probably the interview we did in Canada.

Tanner Bennett
57:04 - 57:18
Okay. It was a specific speech in Canada. I'm just going to tell you, it hasn't even happened, but mine is going to happen this summer when the three of us get to be on a unique stage for the National Speakers Association.

Spencer Horn
57:20 - 57:22
Nice. That's all I got, Christian. Cut it short.

Christian Napier
57:23 - 57:47
All right, that's fantastic. Oh, man, I've got so many more questions, but we don't have time. If Ty and Tanner and Drew, if listeners, if viewers, if they want to connect with you, if they want to learn more about the study, the books that you've written, the speeches that you're giving, the presentations, and how you can help others become high performers, what's the best way for folks to reach out and connect with you?

Tanner Bennett
57:48 - 58:02
Yeah, if you find me, Ty Bennett, I'm pretty easy to find, tybennett.com. That's where we have the white paper books, all of those things. These guys you can find on Instagram, Drew Bennett and Tanner Bennett. You can look them up and find them.

Tanner Bennett
58:02 - 58:08
But yeah, we'd love to connect, love to help any organizations have these conversations. It's fun.

Christian Napier
58:10 - 58:20
And Spencer, you have been helping people around the world, organizations for decades, build high-performing teams. What's the best way for folks to reach out and connect with you?

Spencer Horn
58:21 - 58:30
Reach me on LinkedIn, Spencer Horn. And Christian, you know, Ty, you know how much I love this guy. You know why? Isn't he great?

Christian Napier
58:31 - 58:33
So now you know what I

Spencer Horn
58:33 - 58:35
know. Rest of you who want to meet him, how can they find you?

Christian Napier
58:37 - 58:47
LinkedIn, yeah, we'll just do LinkedIn. Just look Christian Napier on LinkedIn. And folks, I'm telling you, go to Ty's website, tybennett.com, download this. It's free.

Christian Napier
58:47 - 58:57
The white paper is free. So download it. It's just chock full of great stuff. You'll get a flavor of the things that Ty- Maybe we can put a link to that

Spencer Horn
58:57 - 58:58
in the show notes.

Christian Napier
58:58 - 59:06
Yeah, we'll put a link to it. Do that. So listeners, viewers, thank you. Ty and Drew and Tanner, thank you so much.

Christian Napier
59:06 - 59:12
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you listeners and viewers for joining us and we look forward to catching you again soon.