Teamwork - A Better Way

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Christian Napier: Good morning, happy Election eve everyone. It's so great to be with you again. Welcome to another episode of teamwork a better way I'm joined by my amazing honorable illustrious celebrated and accredited Professional speaking co-host and and master of all things teamwork, Spencer Horn. Did I put in enough magic?

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Spencer Horn: You missed something actually, blushing. Christian, You're too kind. I'm so happy to be with you. We were just with each other Friday, and I'm so glad we're back.

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Christian Napier: Yeah, we're back. Like I said, it's election eve. And temperatures are running high here in the United States of America, and also around the world. I mean, I hear from colleagues globally who have, you know, their eyes trained on what's going to happen here tomorrow in the United States. And in this challenging time for all of us, I thought it would be great to have a conversation with you, but also 1 of the most amazing, talented, genuine people that I know, Jason Hewlett, who is coming back to the show for this special episode. Now, listeners and

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Christian Napier: viewers who have seen it before, you may know him, but for those of you who don't know Jason, why don't you spend the next 45 minutes reading his biography? That's exactly

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Spencer Horn: what it would take if I read it all. Thank you, Christian, for giving me that opportunity. So Jason Hewlett has delivered thousands of presentations over 2 decades. And he is 1 of the world's only keynote speakers utilizing entertainment, musical impressions, and comedy to teach leaders how to capture their unique leadership and promise and signature moves. I have seen him in multiple roles, roles as an entertainer. Most recently, just thrilling sold out audiences. And as an incredible keynote speaker, I've had that opportunity to see him in those multiple roles and he marries those things so well together.

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Spencer Horn: And he has performed in every major casino in Las Vegas, no small feat, and is 1 of the youngest inductees ever into the prestigious speaker hall of fame. He's the author of the acclaimed book, The Promise to the 1, which you must read if you have not read it. Fabulous book. Husband, father, writer, mentor, hiker. Yes, coach. Jason's blog, The Promise is enjoyed weekly by people worldwide. You and I read that, Christian, and his online videos and courses inspire learning and entertainment. He's had posts that have had millions of views and responses because not only is

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Spencer Horn: he incredibly smart and entertaining, he's funny and he's able to bring in humor to bridge the gap just between so many different people. While educating, he uplifts corporate executives and Gosh, other artists and leaders and their families, everything he does is family oriented. Anybody can watch it. He's been invited to be part of a Middle East tour in support of the US military in places like Kuwait, Afghanistan, Africa. And because of his successful authorship of The Promise to the 1, he's received the national, oh my good, hold on, that's a different thing. I'm sorry, I'm getting

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Spencer Horn: so confused with all your accolades, Jason. He's also received the National Outstanding Eagle Scout Award from the Boy Scouts of America. And only 800 men in the history of the Boy Scouts have ever received that. Christian, did you know that? I had no idea either that Jason had received it or that there were so few young men awarded that prestigious designation. Yeah, neither did I. And he's also received the prestigious Star Award from the Sarah Center for Arts. And he has so many hobbies, like I said, hiking, which Jason, 1 of these days we're going to

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Spencer Horn: have to share some trails. He loves getting up in the mountains like I do, writing music, playing with kids, and staring at his wife. That's 1 of his hobbies. His greatest accomplishments all live within the walls of his home. Amen. He is a husband to the most beautiful woman in the world. Tammy and dad to 4 incredible young children who serve as his inspiration and help deliver material for his presentations. And I get to see a lot of his writing and posts about his kids. Just so fun. As a family, the Hewlett's donate over 20 hours

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Spencer Horn: per month in community service, volunteering, mentoring, outreach and philanthropy to worthy causes in their home state of Utah. Welcome Jason.

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Jason Hewlett: Thank you guys. That intro is crazy. Thanks a lot.

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Christian Napier: Yeah, we're not worthy intro. That's right. Wow. What are you doing?

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Jason Hewlett: I'm sick of me already. No, thank you guys for having me. What a pleasure to be here with 2 of my favorite people, intellectuals and equally some of the best speakers I've heard. So I'm really excited we get to have this conversation.

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Christian Napier: Well, we are honored to have you here, Jason. And really the impetus for this, as Spencer mentioned, you are active on LinkedIn, you have this weekly blog that you run on there, it also gets sent out to email to tens of thousands of people but recently you know 1 of your clients became controversial and and that caused a lot of consternation and and even some strained and broken relationships, which I was just heartbroken to read. And so I wanted to talk to you about that experience that you've had recently and try to unpack that so that

06:18 - 06:57
Christian Napier: we can look at how we can come together instead of dividing you know it's such a polarized environment now and people are really stressed out about upcoming elections and things all things political here in the United States. And so I was hoping if you could just, you know, kind of talk about the experience that you've had recently this year, and some of the, Both of the blessings and the fallout that's come from your recent experiences this year and What that can help teach us? There's a lot packed in that question. I'm sorry, but you know maybe

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Christian Napier: just kind of give us a Rundown of what you have personally experienced this year as you've gone out on the road and entertain thousands of people.

07:07 - 07:42
Jason Hewlett: Yeah, that's a loaded question for sure. I'll do my best. The truth is the last 25 years, I've made a living as a corporate speaker, entertainer and MC. And I have been able to bridge the gap, if you will, between the left and the right. I mean, I've just been a down the middle kind of guy that anybody could hire and anybody could trust to show up. And obviously not say anything controversial. I'm a G-rated Las Vegas quality entertainer. That's a very small niche. And so I've been very fortunate to make a living doing that. And

07:42 - 08:15
Jason Hewlett: my clients trust that I will show up and do things that everybody can relate to and that will be non-offensive in any way. And I've made a great career that way. And it was only in the last couple of months that I had an opportunity that could not be passed up. In fact, I'm not only a speaker and performer and do these things for my living for over 2 decades. But I'm also the president of a company, a health supplement company called Cardio Miracle. And Cardio Miracle helps with your cardiovascular and other types of health situations

08:15 - 08:48
Jason Hewlett: if you've had surgery and so forth. And this company, as I'm the president of it, and my father is the founder and formulator of the product, it's not an MLM or a direct sales company. It's just direct to consumer. And we sponsored an event that came to our hometown of Salt Lake City, Utah. And part of my dad's mission and cardio miracle is to say, can we make America healthy again through natural products and to help people take back their health? And a group came through Salt Lake City that my dad has been following for. He

08:48 - 09:23
Jason Hewlett: was very excited because the guy that came to Salt Lake is named Tucker Carlson. And all I knew about Tucker Carlson, I'm embarrassed to say, and this was in September, today is November 4th that we're doing this. September, I only knew Tucker Carlson was the guy with the bow tie and was always loud on, I think, Fox or CNN. I didn't know which 1. This is how far out of the political realm I've been. I've just been so busy doing my gigs, raising a family, writing books, inspiring people through joy, and doing my best to perform

09:23 - 10:00
Jason Hewlett: and, and being friends with everybody and want to continue to continue, of course. But We sponsored this 1 event in Salt Lake City where Tucker Carlson stole pretty much out an arena called the Delta Center where the Utah Jazz play. And his guest was a guy named Glenn Beck. I'd heard of Glenn Beck. I'd never listened to Glenn, but I admire Glenn Beck's stances on things and how he, you know, fights with the Constitution and so forth. And so I was able to open the show for them after much convincing and sponsoring the event from my

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Jason Hewlett: father's side. You know, the tour didn't know who I was. I'm not famous. I've been in the private sector for so long that nobody was sure that I would be good at this. And so I only had a little bit over 10 minutes and I went on stage to essentially threats saying if you're not, if you're not able to get off stage in time, we're going to have to have some consequences. And equally, they weren't excited to have me. But as you guys both pointed out through my bio and so forth, I've been doing this for

10:31 - 11:04
Jason Hewlett: a quarter of a century. The show went so well. And I do music, I do comedy, I do some impressions. They're all like, if Weird Al and Jim Carrey and Billy Joel all got together and made an act, I mean, that's what it is. And so I did my music and comedy and I closed with God Bless USA. Had everyone raise up their phone lights and moving back and forth. It was a glorious thing. When I came off stage, the tour folks said, that was the best thing we've ever seen. Why have we never heard of

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Jason Hewlett: you? And they asked me to continue on the tour, as this was 1 of the first stops of Tucker's tour. I had luckily cleared out all of September to write a book. So I only had 1 gig in the way. Next thing I knew, I was on tour with Dr. Carlson. I didn't realize how polarizing of an opportunity this was, nor of a decision that this would then not only frustrate, but also extremely divisively have friends coming at me in both a private and a public way that was astonishing. And then also those that I would

11:43 - 12:21
Jason Hewlett: have never known were as conservative as Tucker is and Glenn Beck, that they were all coming out of silence or hiding to say something as essentially, we support this, we're excited for you, we're proud of you. And so it came both ways, it was very interesting. And me having not done any homework and I'm embarrassed to say that I'm that guy, I was torn, absolutely, because as soon as I announced that I was doing this on my blog, we had plenty of holds on the calendar for events upcoming. But as soon as I announced it, those

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Jason Hewlett: holds went away. The clients said, we're not having him now, and we have an issue with what he's doing. And I started to get a lot of negative feedback real fast. And so essentially, they were assuming that I was aligning with this movement or whatever, you know, you call Tucker Carlson's efforts. He had a different guest in every city, people that I had never heard of before, people like Charlie Kirk, JD Vance, Donald Trump Jr. I've heard of Donald Trump Jr., but people that apparently are a bit controversial and are extremely conservative and lean into the

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Jason Hewlett: Republican Party. For most of my adulthood, I've been in the libertarian side and saying, I'm going to vote on the issues or vote for the person, those types of things, depending on who it was. I was never a straight ballot guy. And so as I started to do homework while I was on tour, I signed up for everything I could regarding Kamala Harris, regarding Donald Trump on their Instagram, and finding out through the media myself. You know, I found some interesting things. Actually, I was getting standing ovations at every gig. And I went from being limited

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Jason Hewlett: to 10 minutes as the opener to eventually getting between 20 and 30 minutes every show to the point that this last weekend I was able to perform with the Donald Trump event with Tucker and Phoenix. And they gave me 45 minutes. Now I find that fascinating because it was standing ovations, people crying with laughter, loving it every minute, arenas full of people. And the media came after me as well. You know, in Rolling Stone, the first time I've ever been written about in Rolling Stone, I was shredded. Like he's no good.

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Spencer Horn: So, so people are laughing, they're having a great time and you're, you're giving this completely focused political message as part of your entertainment, right?

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Jason Hewlett: No, not at all.

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Spencer Horn: Not at all.

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Jason Hewlett: My whole thing was about, let's just, let's be 1 nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. You know, I'm like, I'm just like, hey, if you're a Democrat, I'm gonna make you laugh. If you're a Republican, I'll make you laugh. If you're anywhere in between, I'll make you laugh. And I'll tell you, it was really frustrating to get written up by Rolling Stone as being called. He received a tepid response, or the Washington Post, I think, said I'm a sweaty comedian. And you know,

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Spencer Horn: just- Jason, sorry, I've gotta just cut in here for a second. If you have never experienced this with, in my positions in being an executive, I have seen how often the media does not tell the truth. And personally, I've experienced that. And it is absolutely crazy reading a news article about something I quoted, and it was completely wrong. I it's just it happens more often. And We even just saw that with Elon Musk's mother coming out and say, hey, I've been voting 1 way my whole life and as soon as I started hearing media talking about

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Spencer Horn: my son, I knew something was wrong. I don't know if you've seen that, but yeah, I read that article in the Rolling Stone. Keep going.

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Jason Hewlett: Yeah, my whole life I wanted to be in Rolling Stone. You know, I mean, I subscribed to that forever until a few years back when they started to make some big changes. But I remember reading that and thinking, man, I got the opposite response to what they just wrote. And the more I leaned into reading about the media, the more I thought, well, where am I getting my media? Where am I? What am I listening to? What am I reading? And here I'm having this experience that's a game changer, life changer, and I'm losing friends left

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Jason Hewlett: and right because of it. I thought, how could this be so divisive? I didn't realize that going around and having an opportunity and living the American dream, which it felt like I was actually finally getting to a level that the world would get to know what I do and who I am. And that was really devastating to be candid. And so I started signing up for anything and everything I could, other types of networks, including the Tucker Carlson network, which I didn't even know existed until I was on the tour and it's because he he's sharing

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Jason Hewlett: his own thoughts and I believe that that's where we're going. That's what you guys are doing right now. We're independent media right And I think that that's an important thing that we can share what's true and hopefully we aren't censored in some way. And so the more I was on this tour, the more I realized that in certain ways we are being censored in other ways the truth is not being told. And I started leaning way into it I guess you could say that I I did I took the I took the pill or whatever they

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Jason Hewlett: say the what what it drank the red pill is that the matrix I guess

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Spencer Horn: it's the red pill that's right yeah the blue pill keeps you keeps you where you are

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Jason Hewlett: Okay, so yeah, and I've never seen that movie either. So I mean guys I'm way out of like pop culture jargon I'm out of I'm out of a lot of things in order to just do my best to go around spreading joy the way that I do, which is family friendly and has always been a patriotic thing in terms of like, I love America. I've served for the troops, made them laugh overseas during war, as was read in my bio, and done everything I could to bring people together. And I didn't realize that by being a

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Jason Hewlett: part of a tour like this, that it would appear that I'm being divisive in some way. And that was really disappointing to find out that people felt that about it. So yeah, I've lost friends, lost followers, unsubscribed to the blog. People sent me some pretty nasty texts, emails, Facebook messages, you name it, and others that have been extremely supportive. That's been really amazing. To find that I am losing friends and then gaining new ones. That's interesting. I feel that it's sad that if the only reason people are coming on is because of what it looks like

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Jason Hewlett: I'm appearing politically, but I appreciate that we can all hopefully get along. And I can also say that it's been quite the journey. I've never experienced anything close to it. And I've gone viral a couple of times in the different ways. And I've gotten a lot of hate in the past with certain comedy routines I've done that people just didn't think were great. And that's okay to get hate on YouTube comments. I'm all for free speech and it hurts a little bit when you read those comments, but lately as I've read the comments, it's been such

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Jason Hewlett: a divisive thing. So that's why I'm glad we can talk about this. And Christian, that was a loaded question. I don't know if I even came close but I hope we got closer to what you want me to say

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Christian Napier: Wow

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Jason Hewlett: I

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Christian Napier: Forgot that when Spencer hears something really impactful. He punctuates it with the sounder and Boom he cut me right off Spencer no, I really appreciate you going into depth and providing some context there, because oftentimes we just see little outlines of things, or we read 1 small sentence, and you don't really understand the context behind all of it. And So I appreciate you taking the time to walk us through the process that you've gone through and what you have encountered. You know, 1 thing I'm curious about is Do you feel like the support and or the

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Christian Napier: the retribution for lack of a better word really broke down party lines or did you see people from across the aisle actually reaching out and saying hey you know I'm I'm not from your part or I'm not from Tucker's party. I I'm not aligned with him, but I support what you're doing anyway. You know,

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Jason Hewlett: cool question. Yeah. I mean, candidly at the very beginning, no, people were saying, what are you doing? You're throwing your career away. You've built up this thing that can go left and right and everywhere in between. What are you doing? It wasn't until I started writing the blog to say, look folks, I am not necessarily attaching or aligning to this. I am here to spread joy to anybody willing to listen. I am here to make a difference in the world the only way that I can. And that's when I finally started to get, yes, those people

20:58 - 21:33
Jason Hewlett: that reached out from all sides and said, hey, absolutely don't support the person you're on stage with, but I'm so excited for your career or for the opportunity or the new people get to see you. You know, there are people that have loved what I do for many, many years and supported it. And I've always said, why aren't you more famous? Or why haven't you been on a world stage? This essentially became that for this brief moment. I don't know if it will continue. And that's just how these things go. Fame is fleeting, as we know.

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Jason Hewlett: So we can't expect anything to come out of this outside of, I hope that this just helps others to see that we can, you know, eventually, we can eventually reach out and be all 1 and united and love 1 another despite the way that we believe. I mean I've been interacting my whole career with people of different faith, different ideals, different backgrounds. Never had a problem, Right? And it actually, because of the amount of support I got on 1 side and the amount of vitriol from another, it did make me say to myself, gosh, I guess

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Jason Hewlett: I do need to kind of choose and make a stance here and take a side. And that's a bummer of a thing to have to do publicly because then you're excoriated, which I then was. And that just happened, especially in the last week.

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Spencer Horn: Well, hopefully our listeners know what excoriated means. I know Christian does, but this is so important. You talked about, and that's really what the focus of what we wanted to talk about today is what you started going into here just a minute ago. There's a danger when we just start listening to 1 side or the other, we don't get the whole story. We start creating these echo chambers of, you know, where people say, I can't watch this news station or I can't watch that news station because they're saying things that you don't agree with. Think about

23:02 - 23:42
Spencer Horn: businesses. If they were to run their business, Christian and Jason, where they only listen to 1 group of advisors and not another, how would that impact their decisions? And If we only made decisions based on headlines or TikTok information, we need more information. And I have to be careful about that. Sometimes we have too much information. I think we need to do our homework. If anything, what I've heard you say is, I'm kind of blissfully going along in my life and yet being friends with everybody. And I feel the same way. Jason, I'm in a similar

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Spencer Horn: business as you and at a micro level, But I don't bring religion or politics. Every once in a while, I bring something that is important to me in my faith, because it's a principle that I think is true, no matter where you present it. And I'll be passionate. And I've gotten some frustration every once in a while, but I try to bring what they need and try to be friends with everybody. And Christian, do you and I agree on everything?

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Christian Napier: No, we don't agree on everything. In fact, we are on opposite sides of this political divide. Right? Absolutely. 1 of the things, and you probably wanted to ask a question, so I apologize if I'm- No,

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Spencer Horn: no, cut right in, Christian. I do it to

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Christian Napier: you all the time.

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Jason Hewlett: 1 of the

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Christian Napier: things that I thought was important that you pointed out, Jason, was, hey, there's a difference. We get hired by people to do work. And the people who hire us, we may not have the same values as those people or those corporations that we work for. Myself, I mean, I work in Olympic environments. You know, I've had to work, not had to, I've had the opportunity to work in places like Turkey, in the Middle East, in Doha, you know, who have policies that many would consider here to be quite counter to liberal small L democracy, right? But

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Christian Napier: we stage events in these areas and I go into these and I report to the governments and the ministers about how things are going and so on and so forth. And so I think it's unwise to make judgments of people who, based on who their employer is, right? You mentioned working in casinos in Vegas, right? Well, the predominant lit religion here locally is opposed to gambling, right? But you've got 2 very prominent members of that faith, Donnie and Marie, who had a long-running show in Las Vegas, and nobody really criticized them for abandoning their faith or

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Christian Napier: doing things that ran counter to their core beliefs. And so, you know, not to get too religious on it, but that's, you know, when Christ was shown a coin with Caesar's head on it, he said, render under Caesar that which is Caesar's, right? And so, I think it's an important distinction to make there because all of us have these kinds of experiences in our professional careers where we are working for individuals or organizations that don't completely align with our core beliefs.

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Spencer Horn: So how do we start to create that unity? I mean that's where I was going before. We have, we're working for people that believe different than us or we have people that are only listening to 1 side. How do we bridge that gap and prevent echo chambers? How do we start to reach out and create an environment where we can have greater peace, where we can have greater unity as a nation and as a business?

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Jason Hewlett: You guys, this is so far out of any topic that I've ever gotten to talk about. And so I'm not sure that I can articulate this well, but I can say this much. I read CNN and I read Fox, And I have subscribed to Tucker Carlson's network and the Blaze TV and the Daily Wire and now I'm I've signed up for Kamala Harris's Instagram and and I'm I'm trying to figure out What am I watching and reading MSNBC? I'm just trying to decipher through everything for myself because I've said it this way before, I make a

27:55 - 28:30
Jason Hewlett: living as a speaker, but I make a life as a listener. And I believe that when we want to find unity, it does come down to how much information can we get, and equally can we be respectful in what we disagree about, and can we still work together even with the differences. I believe that everyone has signature moves that make them unique. I've been talking about that forever. I believe we all have a promise we need to share and it's our promise. My promise doesn't need to be your promise and I don't need to worry about

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Jason Hewlett: what your promise is either. You should have it for you and you should share it with the world. If your promise is the opposite of mine, I applaud you for keeping your promise. Now there's obviously, you know, that goes to a weird place when people make promises in their religions to go and commit some kind of atrocious act. You know, that's the kind of thing where you can say, gosh, that's really bad. That's wrong. I can say for myself that at this point in this time in this country and this place, I feel that the promises

29:04 - 29:39
Jason Hewlett: I've made for myself and the people that are making promises for themselves, I respect them regardless of where they're at. And so I hope that, I mean, guys, I don't even know how to respond to this kind of stuff outside of saying, I do get to run a couple of businesses. I am the president of multiple organizations. People think different. People believe different. People are born in the same family and leave the religion they were raised in and still have parents to expect those kids to respect that. It comes down to listening respectfully and having open

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Jason Hewlett: discussion that oftentimes leads essentially nowhere other than into a circle of just making sure that we can respectfully disagree. And I think that that's the best way that I can articulate that. I don't know if that has given you the right answer that you need. What are your guys' thoughts? ["The Daily

30:07 - 30:47
Spencer Horn: Show Theme"] You know, that's 1 of the things we absolutely talked about is we need to do more listening. And Jason, I loved what you just said and I think this is a great example to all of us. Instead of doubling down on separation, you're like, okay, what can I do to reach across to someone that thinks differently than I do? I think an important aspect of leadership, we talk so much about diversity right now and it is important that there is a diversity of thoughts, of ideas, of beliefs, and you just highlighted that. And that

30:47 - 31:11
Spencer Horn: can bring strength to an organization. It can also bring dysfunction and chaos if we don't manage that that well and encourage all voices to be heard. I think there's a great danger if we stop listening and we stop hearing each other and certainly with dignity and respect. That's what leaders do. And I think that is 1 of the best places to start.

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Christian Napier: All right, well, I totally agree. 1 other thing that I think is important here is that we do it without judgment. So again, I'm approaching this from a religious perspective because it's a perspective that I know. So I don't apologize for it, but I hope that everybody will understand it in context. Spencer and I, we've talked about this before, right? The Christ in the New Testament teaches judge not that you'd be not judged and then he gives an example If your brother has a moat or a very small particle of something in his eye or her

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Christian Napier: eye Don't try to remove it because you've got a beam in your own eyes, something very large that is obstructing your vision. And why is this advice given? This advice is given because oftentimes with good intention, I see this in families, I've seen it in my own family, people try to persuade or convince another person to do something. So they use arguments and rhetoric with good intent and inadvertently cause terrible damage, right? If you had a surgeon who couldn't see, who was going to operate and remove this small speck of something from your eye, and he

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Christian Napier: couldn't see himself or herself, you'd say, get another surgeon here, even if the surgeon's intentions are good, right? And I think a lot of the division we have today actually comes from a place of love, a genuine love, care, and concern for other people who believe differently. And we think to ourselves, if I could just say the right words to convince this person of the error of their ways, then they'll be redeemed. And,

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Spencer Horn: you know, because I love you so much, Christian, I've got

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Christian Napier: to correct you. And what happens is we have the opposite effect. You know our good intentions Are very clumsily applied and we end up damaging or destroying relationships and and I'm curious You mentioned here Jason hey, you're not the expert on this, but you are the expert of your own life experience. You know your own life experience more than any other person does. And so when it comes to your own personal experience, have you seen this, you know, whether it's in your family or in neighborhoods and communities or professional relationships where someone is actually well-meaning but

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Christian Napier: they end up causing a lot more damage than they are trying to heal

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Jason Hewlett: yeah great great way of saying it I received multiple messages over the weekend because it was on Thursday Halloween that I promoted that I was at the Trump event. And like I said, I had done all the Tucker Carlson events through September or a majority of them with many different guests, whether it was Kid Rock, Roseanne Barr, Russell Brand, famous comedy or rock star celebrities to political people like Jesse Kelly and Glenn Beck and so forth. I received multiple messages because at this Trump event, obviously I posted about it and then I also did recommend, hey,

34:46 - 35:22
Jason Hewlett: you know, this is who I'm voting for now. I'm out. I'm telling you, you know, and I can't hold it back. And that was something that people were floored by that are some of my dear friends. And so I received some really interesting messages, including, you know, and people come under the banner of their religious beliefs at this thought, and they said things such as in a private comment or Facebook message or email, They said things like, you know, you've been speaking about the promise and you're a good family man with great values and character, and

35:22 - 36:02
Jason Hewlett: here you're essentially endorsing or attaching your name to something that absolutely discredits your messaging, and I am so disappointed in you." In other words, they're suggesting that because I have decided to share what I'm going to believe and what I'm going to support at this time, that all of a sudden everything I've written or said or the power and the meaning of my messaging is now void. I find that tragic to think that, you know, that's somebody that knows my life or has watched me or followed me for 25 years, let's say, and then all of

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Jason Hewlett: a sudden, because of 1 decision, would say that's over. Now, that's usually what happens when somebody has this stellar reputation and all of a sudden the scandal breaks and then all of a sudden they're chastised by the world and cancelled. I get that And that's tragic. I've spoken at those prisons where I've seen men that look like a normal good man, and they just maybe did 1 bad thing that everybody knew about. I mean, if all the bad things that everybody knew that all of us do, we'd probably really not be able to function very well

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Jason Hewlett: in this society. And so I found that really interesting to have people say they're disappointed or they're unfollowing me or they're no longer believe anything I say. Those types of things are shocking to receive. And my best response was just to simply say, I have not changed. I've just been a little bit more informed, and I'm making some decisions that I guess I need to say outright. A lot of people are scared to say anything and that's because they're going to be chastised or they're going to be dismissed And it's too bad because we live in

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Jason Hewlett: a democracy that should allow for us to have that kind of free speech and not be judged too harshly. And so I appreciate what you're saying about the judgment piece. When it comes to working with people that are different than us, The people I get to work with, they don't share the same beliefs as me. In fact, I belong to a religion that is extremely polarizing in terms of the people that we want to be accepted by people across the board. And there are a lot of people that, you know, I believe in Christ, but there

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Jason Hewlett: are people that believe in Christ as well that think that I believe in a different Christ. Now that's a tricky 1. And so what do you have to do to get through that conversation? You have to listen. You have to not have judgment. You have to do your research. You have to equally, I believe that you need to have the spirit in your life. And all of these things add up to making it so that we aren't so much in the echo chamber. And I've been grateful to be able to bridge that gap for many years,

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Jason Hewlett: and I hope to in the years to come.

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Spencer Horn: Well, you are doing that. And I'm going to out Christian here just a little bit because of his... If you don't know his brilliance already, you certainly will the more you listen to them. But we were having a conversation, 1 of our many at lunch. And Christian, you said something that I have been thinking about a lot. And since we're getting a little out of our litany here, he said, he says, build up treasures in heaven, not here on earth, right? And what did you say, Christian, that you believe that those treasures are?

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Christian Napier: I believe those treasures are relationships, right? And so with that commandment, you see it all the time. You go to serve in an assisted living facility where people are at their final days, They don't have material possessions anymore. They have a few photographs in their room, right? And what matters most to them are their children and grandchildren coming to see them or close friends. And you know, that famous landmark Harvard study that studied happiness, which is still ongoing. It started back in when the 1930s. And really the number 1 learning from that is that the most

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Christian Napier: important determining factor of happiness are long lasting relationships. So when we're commanded in the Christian world to not lay up treasures on earth but to lay up for yourselves treasures on heaven. What are those treasures? My view is they are our relationships and relationships are the currency of heaven. And so we should do all we can to foster meaningful relationships and as many as we possibly can here because we will carry those relationships with us there and because in our faith, we also believe that there is opposition in all things and there's an adversary at work

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Christian Napier: as well. His work is to destroy those relationships And he uses tools like this to destroy those relationships. And unfortunately, it's a very effective tool. But I'll go ahead. Yeah, I just submit that, that, you know, in the end, our overriding focus should be on building and fostering relationships of love and trust and mutual understanding with each other because at the end of the day, that's all we're gonna have.

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Jason Hewlett: Guys, and that is what's been so tough about this for me honestly the relationship piece to think that I have worked so hard for so long to share extreme love and acceptance to people that absolutely I already knew what they believed and I love them because of it.

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Spencer Horn: Yeah.

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Jason Hewlett: Yeah. They are absolutely the opposite me of everything that I do and have in my life. And I love them. Like I adore them. And now I know that they think that I must think differently or something. And this is why it's tragic for me. Like it breaks my heart to think that because I have, you know, been a part of this experience and said a few things like, hey, I'm proud to be an American, or I wear an American flag, that that discounts any other type of flag waved. That is not the truth in my

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Jason Hewlett: world, in my life. I love those people all the more. And I'm extremely heartbroken that those treasures in heaven, which are the relationships on earth right now, have been compromised in some way. That to me is the most devastating casualty of the success that I've had in the last few months. We have a comment. I'm sorry.

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Spencer Horn: I've been wanting to put it up here, but the discussion's been nice. But we hear from Kevin saying, discourse is an investment of respect to others, values in an investment of respect in yourself. Politicians will speak with 2 tongues and ambiguous messages in the hopes of being held accountable. Listening is respect, nothing more. Kevin, thank you so much for joining us. Any thoughts on that, you 2?

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Jason Hewlett: I love that comment. That's skiller. I mean, that's exactly what we're talking about. And I mean, that's where for me, it's a matter of not just saying, hey, this is what I believe and you have to believe it too. That's what that's what's kind of driving me bonkers about what I'm experiencing from folks is to say, if you don't believe like me, then we can't be friends. We can't have any association. I'm unfollowing you. I'm disinterested in you. And I'm thinking, holy smokes, I didn't know that's what this was.

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Spencer Horn: Yeah. So let's, if we can, let's transition a little bit. 1 of the things that I was gonna say earlier is 1 of the reasons why this division, 1 reason why it's happening is a little bit how humans are built or created. And we tend to focus on the negative much easier than we do on the positive. If there's a chance of a negative story being true, that's listened to and given greater weight in our mind than something that is positive and uplifting. It's really quite scary. That's why news cycles focus specifically on negativity because the

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Spencer Horn: headlines sell, people click it more often on social media than positive uplifting stories. We talked about that on Friday. So we have this bias towards negativity. And the messages that frankly both parties often put out there is the world's going to end if you vote for the enemy. The world's going to end if you vote for that person. And that is part of the thing that is causing so much anxiety and consternation. So how do we start to bridge that gap? We've talked about a couple of ways of having respectful conversations, listening. You, Jason, as a

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Spencer Horn: performer are incredibly funny. You incorporate humor so much in everything that you do. This has been a serious conversation. And yet, even sometimes with your humor, you get in trouble. But how can we lighten the mood a little bit and bring, how can we bridge the gap and how do you use humor to just to connect with people? Share us a little bit of how you do that. That maybe we can learn as leaders and of businesses and teams and families and communities.

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Jason Hewlett: Gosh, that's a real tough 1. Spencer. I mean, I know how to do it. And The way that I've done it, I believe, is through self-deprecation and not taking myself too serious. I think that we need to laugh at ourselves. We need to laugh at each other's, you know, differences. And I think that that's what's fun about it. I mean, I'm okay. So I'll tell 1 of the bits that I do on stage, and this always gets a laugh no matter where I am. And it obviously offends some people that are sensitive to it, but it's

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Jason Hewlett: such a strong bit that it works. And so I am from Utah. People assume that I am a, right, I'm a, and I say I'm a skier. And so I'm leaning into the thought that I'm going to be now preaching from the stage and talking about being a quote-unquote Mormon, right, but I'm saying, hey everybody, So I'm from Utah, but you must be assuming that I'm a skier." And everybody laughs because I was going to go to Mormon, they thought. And then I say, I'm just kidding. I don't ski, but my wives do. And then they

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Jason Hewlett: all scream, laugh. And then I say, I'm just kidding. My wives don't have skis. Now that's a very risky piece if you have a group of people that are very faithful to their practice of having many wives. And I'm okay to not worry about how they feel about that because I know many of those types of folks and I think that they're wonderful people too. And but the bit works so well in a connection type of way to laugh about what it is that I knew that they were thinking when I said I'm from Utah. The

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Jason Hewlett: stereotype they thought I was going to lean into, the next thing they know that I'm making fun of what I knew they were thinking, and that I can lean into something that is absolutely misunderstood throughout the entire world about my faith. Now, that's just 1 way that I can make humor work, is to make fun of what I know that you're thinking about me. And then at the same time, I was asked as a member of my church is called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That's what a Mormon's church name is. But I

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Jason Hewlett: was asked by a group in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, to come and speak at their synagogue, at their Jewish synagogue. Yes, these are absolutely faithful Jewish folks who do not obviously believe what I believe. They asked me to come and do a show for their pastors or their rabbis, their Jewish rabbis retirement party after 50 years. And I made fun the whole night of the fact that how could there not be a Jewish performer that could come and perform better than a Utah Mormon for a rabbi's party. And they- You outrank Seinfeld.

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Christian Napier: You outrank Seinfeld. Come on.

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Jason Hewlett: I mean, they could have afforded anyone, had anybody. And I said, this is the most bizarre thing. The rabbi and I worked for an hour prior on a Blues Brothers bit where we both put on hats, fedoras, sunglasses and we did the Blues Brothers routine and did cartwheels. I mean, the guy was game for anything. It was completely for me the truth of let's accept each other for the goodness of each other. Let's laugh about what our differences are. Let's not worry about the fact that I could stand up and be like, you all need to

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Jason Hewlett: believe in Jesus. I mean that would have been ridiculous, right? They made fun of things that we had commonalities and differences and they loved me all the more for it. I mean, we got multiple standing ovations that night, and this is how I've rid the gap throughout my entire career, is by laughing about what makes us uniquely different. And that's the beauty of all of us coming together for that.

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Spencer Horn: I absolutely love that. And I think 1 of the things that I think is so important is not taking ourselves so seriously. And I had Christian, you know how often I've talked about Kelvin, 1 of my great business mentors, Jason, And I'm writing about him in my book, just an incredible leader and man of faith are also part of our faith. But when people would find out that we were members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, they would often ask us about polygamy. And He just leaned right into it and said, how else

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Spencer Horn: do you think we got people to come from Norway to Utah in the 1850s? Come on over, have a couple of wives. Of course we don't practice it, but it just caused people to relax a little bit and not take themselves so seriously.

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Jason Hewlett: Well done.

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Spencer Horn: Yeah, so I think that's a great idea. There's another idea. Kevin's listening, he has more comments. I haven't had a chance to read that yet, but let me see if I can get to that. But 1 of the things that we have going on in Utah this week is a very divided, if you will, sporting event that's happening on Saturday. We have the 128 years ago, a rivalry was born, and it's 1 of the oldest in the entire United States, a football match between Brigham Young University and the University of Utah. Red and blue. Could you

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Spencer Horn: get any more perfect with this division? And my whole life as a kid growing up, I was a BYU fan. I went to BYU before I served a mission. When I came back, I had the opportunity to not be able to go there because of the situation with my mother's health. And so I went to the University of Utah, graduated with 2 degrees there. Loved the University of Utah, still love BYU. But I think 1 of the things that we can talk about, Christian and Jason, is how the presidents of the university, The coaches of these

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Spencer Horn: teams, the alumni, the students are figuring out how to get rid of vitriolic behavior. I mean, anthropologists have said that sporting events are actually a substitute for warfare and we should be able to let off some steam and have some fun. 1 of the things that they are doing is they're showing appreciation for each other. These are 2 historically, I mean, one's a church school, one's a state school. The fans are usually rabid and negative, but they have worked really hard to change this relationship. And 1 of the things that they're doing is they're finding opportunities

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Spencer Horn: to work together to serve the community. And I think if you can find, I mean, maybe talk a little bit about how do we find common ground? How do we start to work to solve problems together instead of pointing our fingers?

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Jason Hewlett: Truth is when it comes to what is our purpose? Yeah. What is the point of the game? Is it to entertain? Is it for placement of a higher rank? Is it for the money they're gonna get? I think it is to entertain the audience. And so I appreciate that whole concept. I think

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Spencer Horn: tie it to the promise. Each of those players have to be their best is what I think it is, is to play your best and work your best. That's part of the promise, isn't

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Jason Hewlett: it? Absolutely. Yeah, that's right. And yeah, when they think to themselves, you know, this is what I'm here for. This is the reason that I have the opportunity, I'm going to give it my all and my best. And I love that. I think every leader has that as their true promise to themselves is how can I give my best 100%, show up every day, those types of things? I grew up in a house where my dad decided to join the Crimson Club and the Cougar Club, which would be both BYU and Utah. And so as a

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Jason Hewlett: child, I was always cheering for both sides. I just wanted them to represent our state well. And because to me it's important for people to see that there's a lot of goodness coming from Utah. And so I received 2 full ride scholarships to BYU, but most of my first performances were at Utah. I'm very grateful for both universities and I love the Holy War. It's a good thing and I love that they're leaning into that. That's good.

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Spencer Horn: Christian, I know you got something to say about this. You're a big sports fan. Yeah.

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Christian Napier: Well, my wife and I are both Utah grads and so we're supporters. We don't really have anything. We have no leg to stand on this year. We're really, really poor. But I think at the end of the day, when it's just like Jason said, if you get to know people and you listen to them. You start to see them as real human beings. These kinds of rivalries, they kind of take a backseat, and we start to focus on the things that we have in common, more than the things that differentiate us. And I think that's coming

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Christian Napier: to the fore here. And I like your idea and the idea that was posited in the article of coming together to work for a worthy cause, right? Because when you work together, you get to know people better and you get to see them as they really are. And again, kind of injecting the religious aspect into it, and we're all children of the same glorious beings. And so when we see ourselves as true brothers and sisters and not as any number of categories or groups of people that we tend to put in different buckets, then we have

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Christian Napier: a newfound respect, appreciation, and love for each other.

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Spencer Horn: Well, we're kind of, I'm enjoying this conversation. I'd like it to go on, but Jason Christian, we're running up against the clock here. Any last questions that you have for our guests today?

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Christian Napier: Questions? I've got a million. We don't have the time. But what I'll simply do is express my appreciation to you, Jason, for being so open and vulnerable and sharing your story here. As someone who comes from the quote unquote other side, I find it just so heartbreaking what you've had to deal with. And Nobody deserves to be treated in that manner in my view. We all should look to love and support each other. So I appreciate your vulnerability and your courage to come out here and share your own personal experience. So thank you, I really appreciate

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Christian Napier: it. And there's no loss of respect or love or admiration on this side for you.

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Jason Hewlett: No, I appreciate it, Christian. And obviously I don't know where you guys were coming from in the first place. I just can say I respect you both. I admire your, obviously, your abilities and the greatness of the men that you are. You're both men of good faith of God and I'm thankful for that. And, You know, it's sad when we have a lot to offer and somebody will discount or discredit all of that because they think, well, you believe differently than me so I can't receive it. In fact, I didn't receive 1 penny. This might not

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Jason Hewlett: be known. I didn't receive 1 penny for 1 of those gigs that I just did in front of around probably 250, 000 people over the last 2 months. I didn't receive payment. Now why would I do that? Well part of The trade-off was that my dad had sponsored that event in Salt Lake City for Cardio Miracle, the company that I'm helping him run. I believe so much in this product and I love my dad so much that I jumped off a cliff with him. I mean, I'm thankful for the things that he's taught me and mentored

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Jason Hewlett: me through. And it has helped me to realize that not only am I allowing him to let me fall with him if that's where we're going, but I also feel that we can fly together. And so I feel sad for the people that said to themselves, I can't take Cardio Miracle or I don't wanna buy it because you're supporting this. And they're typing it probably on a computer that was not made in this country. They're going to now buy it through another subscription or place, you know, a different product that is run by criminals. And this

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Jason Hewlett: is a product and a bill, you know, made for people that we want to have be healthy in a righteous and wonderful way. I just find that really fascinating that if we can't put those things aside and say to ourselves this will help my body This will help my spirit this will help my health that I'm going to support it so I just appreciate that we could have an open dialogue and Communication here and You guys have literally kept the promise to me in making this be a lot easier than I was not sure it would

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Jason Hewlett: be, you guys. I don't talk about this stuff.

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Spencer Horn: No, I'm so grateful that you did. And that's really an example of who you are. I always see you giving and being generous with your time, with your effort. And this show was no less indicative of that. I'm grateful that you took the time. And our focus today was how do we deal with the divisions and create more unity? And I mean, our topic, our whole focus is team, team work. How do we work together? And we can accomplish so much more together than we can alone or divided. And you are reaching out and you're helping

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Spencer Horn: so many people and lifting them up. And that's what we're trying to do on this show. And Kevin, I wanna put 1 comment up. He said 1 more thing. He was talking about the founding fathers about how vehemently they disagreed, yet they found a way to work together for the greater good of this country and more importantly the people of this country. And he just said thanks for this timely and valuable

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Speaker 1: And I echo his feelings and thanks to you, Jason, for coming on the show.

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Speaker 2: So thanks for having me guys. My last thought is this. If there's anything you can take away from what I've said today, think about your promise. And I truly believe that as a team leader as somebody who's Making a difference in this world in business or otherwise your leadership promises to identify clarify and magnify The signature moves of the people you lead when you can do that you keep the promise

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Speaker 3: That's a fitting conclusion but I do want to say very quickly, Jason, if people do want to learn more about, whether it's Cardio Miracle, the work that you're doing, what's the best way for them to connect with you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my LinkedIn is great, but my website is jasonhewlett.com, but I'd also love to just tell you about Cardio Miracle. It's the best health product out there, and it will help you with, if you're recovering from surgery, if you need better blood flow, if you have any kind of diabetic challenge cardiovascular health etc.

01:01:10 - 01:01:11
Speaker 1: What about

01:01:11 - 01:01:34
Speaker 2: I believe it's high blood pressure all of those things it helps people with their numbers it's a fascinating thing to watch people get off the medication that I think is hurting people worse and it's a natural solution for a lot of people. If you give it a shot, it's a great thing. We have a 60 day money back guarantee. And it's made here in Utah, So it'd be awesome to have everybody check that out cardio miracle calm

01:01:35 - 01:01:57
Speaker 3: And I remember Jason wasn't too long ago where you had a significant injury That required surgery and so you're coming at it from personal firsthand experience Spencer you've spent decades helping organizations around the world that are, they'll better hire performing teams. If people want to reach out and connect with you, how do they do it? LinkedIn's a great way to

01:01:57 - 01:02:05
Speaker 1: do it. Thank you, Christian, for that opportunity. And likewise, how do they reach you? Oh, look, Kevin's buying it now, Jason.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Well, 3, 3 cheers for LinkedIn. Cause he joined us on LinkedIn. So you can find me on LinkedIn as well Jason Spencer Thank you for an hour of really impactful, and I think important conversation really appreciate it and viewers listeners Thank you for joining us as well. Please like and subscribe to our podcast. We'll catch you again soon